ad and thamud
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The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. The Bible makes a claim that a particular time in history, a people who lived in in the kingdom of EdomEdomites predate the Nabateans or the current historically accepted date of the structures carved from the mountainscarved out structures in the hills and mountains. [22], The first wave of Arab immigration to the Maghreb began with the conquest of the Maghreb in the seventh century, with the migration of sedentary and nomadic Arabs to the Maghreb from the Arabian Peninsula. Jumping the gun, 2. The tribes of Ad and Thamud were ancient people who existed on the Arabian Peninsula many centuries ago and were recipients of the Prophets Hud and Salih, respectively. The Quran and Sunnah do not identify any specific existing ruins as belonging to the first ancient tribe of Thamud, although some Muslim historians and popular folklore have done so. Only Allah knows if this scenario really happened. According to Arab tradition, the Adnanites are called Arabised because it is believed that Ishmael Spoke Aramaic and Egyptian then learnt Arabic from a Qahtanite Yemeni woman that he married. Al-ijr, Saudi Arabia: ancient Thamd house, This article was most recently revised and updated by. Surviving quotations from Agatharchides's On the Erythrean Sea, from the second century BCE, reports that the Thamud Arabs then inhabited a "stony and large shore" of the Arabian coastline, south of the Gulf of Aqaba. And as for Aad, they were destroyed by a screaming violent windstorm which Allah imposed on them for seven days and eight nights straight. Summary: The cravings that Quran says were done by Thamud were in Wad l-Qura. A Reminder of the Story of 'Aad and Thamud by Ibn Kathir, taken from Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), Volume 8 Darussalam 2000 As for `Ad, they were arrogant in the land without right and they said: 'Who is mightier than us in strength?' See they not that Allah Who created them was mightier in strength than them. We do not believe in the Bible the way it is today. A report in the hadith collection of Bukhari makes this connection between Thamud and al-Hijr quite explicit. Point by Ismail about the order of the messengers from earliest to latest also is something to ponder over and maybe the people of the Hijr are different from the Thamud. They were elites. 7. Verily, Thamud disbelieved in their Lord. It sure is something to ponder over and come up with a hujja to explain. Adites conquered Iraq and Syria mixing with the Akkadians and Amorites( They are known as the people of Us, When actual tribe of ad perished Prophet Hud pbuh was with the banu thamud who are from him, they livedfrom North Arabia to greater part of Syria mixing with the Assyrians . Satan made their actions seem good to them and so debarred them from the Way, even though they were intelligent people. Some of these questions were sincere, but most of the time they were just trying to trip him up. Revisionists are conspiracy theorists and conspiracy theories sell so in order to make quick money and get fame, some western pseudo scholars propagate this absurd conspiracy theory. Hence, the Prophet (s) and his companions did visit the land of Thamud and reflected upon the ruins of many idolatrous peoples found there, but they did not claim that any of these specific artifacts belonged to the first tribe of Thamud from the Quran. How archeologists date the tombs and other structures is primarily based on the inscriptions found in them. Asking the deceased for supplications or intercession? from there I will bring you down, Or is that verse just saying what they used to do in the vally Al does not make anything past or present or future. or, if he should, he can never take it, or take me from hence, conquer and subdue me. Then bring us what you promise us if you are among the truthful.Chapter 7, Verse 70, It is all the same to us if you advise us are not from among the advisors. Based on some of the artifacts and writing, there are several civilizations at play here and they consider that the stone carvings were the work of Nabataens), Assalam alikum but mu point is it make it sound like these 2 verses mean that thamud and AD buildings were still standing tall my point is on the arabic word atharan because does this mean that this verses are saying midian al saleh are thamud because that would be wrong, Does atharan mean we have to see it or does it just mean they made marks witch we dont have to see, Walikum asalam Im trying to understand the arabic like why do some arabic words have al before some words when we dont use them like in verse 2:36 (But Satan caused both of them to deflect from obeying Our command by tempting them to the tree and brought them out of the state they were in, and We said: Get down all of you; henceforth, each of you is an enemy of the other,50 and on earth you shall have your abode and your livelihood for an appointed time.) in this verse in arabic it says al Shatan why doesnt just say satan instead of if translated the satan because that would sound weird 62-63]. The hadith reports the prophet (pbuh) as having passed Median Saleh and described the ruins as their dwellings referring to the Thamud. Assalamualaikum what do u think of the carbon dating and the presence of wells? In fact, they are no recognised as Nabatean tombs, resembling the earlier more primitive ones among those to be seen at Petra in present day Jordan, not the late elaborately carved Greco-Roman facades. And perhaps, over the generations, these people developed their own magnificent society with its own special hallmarks and characteristics. Chapter___ MUSLIMS ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS AND TERRORI Chapter___ Human Embryonic Development __ Qur'an a Atowar Rahman Salafi _ Atowar Rahman Salafi | atow Suhih Bukhari_ Book of "End of the World". Indeed, we see in you foolishness and indeed, we think you are of the liars.Chapter 7, Verse 66, Have you come to us that we should worship Allah and leave what our fathers worshiped? [23] Arab tribes such as Banu Muzaina migrated, and the Arab Muslims in the region had more impact on the culture of the Maghreb than the region's conquerors before and after them. What the visitor sees there today are hewn hills; no mansions remain on the plain. "Thamud are an ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes that seem to have been prominent from about the 4th century BC to the first half of the 7th century AD. They became two parties quarreling with each other. _ Story of Aad _tafseer. We are in grave doubt about what you are asking us to do." The Kingdom of Thamud was the first existing kingdom on the Arabian peninsula, according to Assyrian and Roman sources. Answer (1 of 7): Yes They were called the people of Aad and they were ancient arabs. due to the belief as mentioned in the Quran that warners were sent to all Nations. I hope they remove whatever articles they have written on this topic, as its beyond question that the Quran did not make an error on this topic, given that the Bible makes similar claims, and given that we know almost nothing about the Nabateans, and that the majority of the structures85 percent in Petra, and a major portion in Median Salehare still hidden under ground. I believe carving out structures in hills and mountains may have been a common practice within the ancient Arabia and its surroundings based on both the Biblical and Quranic accounts. This poses problematic. Similarly, much later, Thamud were wiped out and their remains were taken over by Midianites of which we see the pictures and they constructed over them as per their methods. So Allah sent a camel with the simple command: Dont harm her. Updates? The world is a prison-house for a believer and Par ()_ (): _ _____Terminology of Hadith. Or just left relics in land 6. The same can be said about 7:84 where Allah SWT is telling us to SEE the end of Sodom and Gomorrah. Have not read their own bibles. However, there survived long after that, people who still called themselves Thamd. Anyway, whats really important is what led to their punishment. The account presented in Surah an-Naml also mentions nine evil people of Thamud who are immediately responsible for God's punishment of their people[Quran27:4851] in a narrative reminiscent of Jewish descriptions of the demise of Sodom. My people, this camel belongs to God, a sign for you, so leave it to pasture on God's earth and do not harm it, or you will soon be punished." Continue the discussion, Ok thanks so what does atharan mean in classical arabic or can it mean effects and results in classical arabic as well can it mean made as well as left jazzakkallah, And you said that there remains will show they once were better then you do you mean like if throw there might only be a few bricks left those bricks will still show they once were better because of the size of those bricks and how they were carved and the same with broken pillars even this they are broken the size of the circle shaped and the way they are cut they show that they were once supier and still are by the relics than you is that what you mean jazzakkallah by there relics show they once were better even there not that great now like old roman and egyptian bricks not standing but lieing down decaying but we can still tell they built better stuff like all I have to do is find one large bone of a dinosaur to know they are big that I dont need to find a lot of bones to know that is that what you mean jazzakkallah, I mean witch of these sound more like what the verses are saying 1. 4 Though you soar like the eagle Their dwellings remained but very partially And as for Thamud, We showed them the path of truth but they preferred blindness to guidance; so the Sa`iqah of disgracing torment seized them because of what they used to earn. The Quran mentions Aad as successor to the people of Noah (Q 7:69), and Thamud, as successor to Aad in turn (Q 7:74). The fact that these structures are still around today, after nearly 4000 years is a testament to their quality and design. The same can be said of Median Saleh, much of the area is still hidden under sand. 3. Dont ever think youre indespensible. The hadiths show that there were wells present in that particular spot attributed to the Thamud. It is likely, then, that most of the artifacts in this region belonged to the many generations of those who came after them as the Quran mentions. Compared to modern civilizations of this time that we live in, these were still archaic and that is just sign of the times but compared to those who came after them in the lands, these destroyed civilizations were e definitely stronger. By declining the noun Thamud or not, it means the region or the tribe. Are these tourist sites now identified at Madian Saleh the same as those we see discussed in the saheeh ahadith during the Tabuk expedition or is that a different location because these sites are identified as built by Nabataens and not Thamud and are considered much later than Thamud people (if we consider the finds to be absolutely authentic that these are Nabataens who built them. (LogOut/ Allah doesnt need you. Yes both Ad and thamud left dwelling places as opposed to some other Nations mentioned in the Quran but again the reference is generic to many other Nations not mentioned in the book that came to other parts of the world etc. Assalamualaikum thnx for the link. The shout, which is an extremely loud sound, might have caused the earthquake, according to certain scholars. 15:75 can also be interpreted as a HISTORICAL sign/reminder when referring to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. This has led traditional Muslim historians to place the two quite early in history, much before the time of even Abraham and Moses. From the overall area of a few miles, that particular area of a few feet had Thamudic remains. But the Thamud let their education and knowledge go to their heads. Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. Thus, from the aforementioned verses we have gleaned the following: 1. This structure is not only large enough to house several individuals, but contains benches which suggests that it served some social function, hence it can qualify to be called a place of dwelling. Have not invested any considerable time investigating the actual archeological claims. The Quran tells us that the people of Ad started to build altars on the high places, and even strongholds in the mountains. We have no concrete evidence that Nabateans were destroyed. [27:49]. Hud ( ) was sent to Ad and after their destruction, Thamud inherited the land. Well, next to nothing. And God knows best. you who live in the clefts of the rocks, When God permitted the prophet to do this, some of the tribesmen followed Salih, while many powerful leaders continued to oppose him. Nigel Groom said that Sargon II recorded his subjugations of the tribe of Tamud in 715 BCE, that Agatharchides refers to the land of the Thamoudenian Arabs, Diodorus Sicilus refers to the Thamudeni, Pliny speaks of the Tamudaei, Ptolemy mentioned the Thamudiatea and also the Thamydeni and a Nabatean inscription dated to 166-169 CE refers to the nation or federation of the Thamudeans.[3][4]. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. The Thamud demanded and received a sign from Allah. Thanks for the article and yea I see no problem. After giving birth, the camel drank all the water from a well every two days and then produced enormous amounts of milk for the people. Further confirmation of their service under the Romans, comes via a late 4th (or early 5th century) military document Notitia Dignitatum, which clealy mentions two cavalry units of Thamud, one serving in Egypt and the other in Palestine. They were more sophisticated than the Aad. Sargon defeated these tribes, according to his Annals, and had them forcibly deported to Samaria. Their responses were a reflection of this culture. They were 6 meters tall! There is no special connection between these scripts and the tribe of Thamud. the fate and remains of past generations with our eyes bcuz verse 25:37 speaks about the people of Nuh AS and it tells us that Allah SWT left a sign for mankind. Doesnt 14:45 talk about there dwellings were standing tall untouched, If you could get back to me that would be great jazzakkallah, 14. But the fact that they spitefully killed an animal that had done them no harm and for no good reason is proof and a sign of their evil. But the Thamud were more nuanced in their rejection. As such, missionaries and polemicists have claimed that the mistakes of Muslim folklore, or contradictory applications of the name Thamud to archaeological discoveries, suggest an historical mistake in the Quran. Archaeological sites copyright@ Atowar Rahman Salafi || year 2021, may, @Copyright_ Atowar Rahman Salafi The Christians are claiming that the Qurans statement about Thamud carving structures in the hills and mountains is demonstrably false as the structures are built not by the Thamud but by the Nabateans, who came much later. . It mentions the elusive city of Iram (mentioned in the above Quranic verse), and reads May Abdallhi son of Atmo be remembered for all time before Allt, the goddess of Iram.. Trying to make sense of this mad, mad world, And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], Worship Allah and avoid Taghut. And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. In sum, missionaries and polemicists contrive an accusation against the Quran by obscuring, deliberately or not, the meaning of Thamud in the Quran and its relationship to the complex array of archaeological sites in Arabia. I think some more research is needed to establish where the ruins are that are clearly mentioned in the Tabuk expedition hadith. 4. It is possible that multiple unrelated groups took on the name of Thamud; they probably spoke Old Arabic. What do we intend to get out of the statement that they were more in number and strength in what they left behind. Theyre mentioned in 25:38 and 50:12. The Quran itself says that the dwellings of Thamud were khawiyatan during the time of the Qurans revelation. The Thamd are infrequently mentioned in contemporary indigenous Arabian sources, although two Safaitic inscriptions carved some time between the first century BCE and the fourth century CE refer to "the year of the war between Gm and the tribe of Thamd [snt rb gm l md]". The Thamud ( Arabic: , romanized : amd) were an ancient Arabian tribe or tribal confederation [1] that occupied the northwestern Arabian peninsula between the late-eighth century BCE, when they are attested in Assyrian sources, and the fifth century CE, when they served as Roman auxiliaries. Thank you for answering my questions thanks I just have 2 more questions then Im done then ill leave it jazzakkallah Salam. They are the idumeans( Edomites), Prophet Abraham pbuh was a Chaldean who had, People of uz autocorrect sucks sometimes, The quran pretty unambiguously says that the people of Nuh were a globalised civilization, so your timing seems a bit off, Your email address will not be published. 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